Grammy Winner Steve Pageot and Music Education

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D.Blais

Hi today I'm with mr. Steve Pageot.

Steve Pageot is a famous record producer who actually won a Grammy Award and worked with a lot of people in the industry and today I want to talk with Steve because he will be one of the instructor at www.themusicbusinessschool.com. Steve can you tell me why music education is something so important?

S. Pageot

Yes, the music education is very important because it gives you the foundation in order to sustain and further your career in the music business. Like when I first started, I learned the fundamentals which was music theory. I had to learn how to read music, how to sing the notes like in solfege. I was also in a choir, which enabled me to learn how to harmonize notes while signing with other singers. And, because of that education I was able to do all types of music that I wanted to do like Brazilian, Samba, classical music to jazz and R&B and pop because of the foundation that I received as a youngster and following my music education in high school. And, by being around of a lot of musicians it kind of shaped me to become the musician I am today. So, I stressed it to a lot for people to learn the fundamentals on music because once you know your music theory it will be very easy to do your music. It's like speaking English but you don't know how to read, you don't know you know how to conjugate your verbs. It’s the exact same thing when it comes to music theory. And, what starts a lot of producers is most of them can only do beats. You know, there's a difference between making beats and composing an entire song.

D. Blais

I think also some people feel like digging into music theory will keep them away from being creative which is untrue, right?

S. Pageot

Yes, very untrue

D. Blais

I mean, if you're creative person and you just know a little more of theoretical aspects of the music itself it will push you up to the sky, right?

S. Pageot

Yes! It’s like if you only know 6 letters in the alphabet… your vocabulary won't be that expect, you know? It won't be large compared to somebody who knows all the 26 letters.

D. Blais

What about the music industry itself? You know like all the booking, the contracts and all… I mean, I think it's an important part for the artist development nowadays, right?

S. Pageot

Yes, extremely important. This is what I tell everybody that I get in touch with. If you want to become a lawyer, you gotta go to law school. If you want to become a doctor, you got to go to med school. It's the same thing about the music business. If you want to go into the music business you have to know the business side of it because if you don't know the music the business side of the music entertainment you won't know what to ask for and what's right in a contract. So, it's very important to know the business

side in order to make a living

D. Blais

Even if you have a manager that handles the whole business part you're still the boss! You still have to know where your career is going and if the deal is good or not for you, right?

S. Pageot

Exactly.

D. Blais

You got to be part of the deal, you gotta be fully integrated into this and of course having the knowledge is the base of everything now. It's very important.

S. Pageot

Yes. Very important. It's like what is they also, don't trust anybody when it comes to your paperwork. You know, it's okay to let somebody go over your contract but you, as an artist, as a producer, you should be able to know what's what in a contract. It's extremely important that you know every detail about the music business.

D. Blais

Yes, and this will force you, or teach you, how to ask the right questions when you negotiate as well, you know?

S. Pageot

Yes. perfect. Exactly.

D. Blais

It's like you don't want to be an accountant, but you need to be able to understand a little bit of the vocabulary and the know-how so you will have your accountant to do the right job for you. Same thing with an artist manager, same thing with a booking agent. You got to know their language. You got to know what they're doing and how do you negotiate things so next time you negotiate, you're aware of all the extent of what you can negotiate and what you can do with it.

S. Pageot

Yes, and also, let's say if you go to court and the judge as you why did you let this happen, your answer can't be : “because I didn't know”. Because, the judge will say: “there's no room for ignorance in this world”, you know? All the information is out there, Nowadays, there's no reason why you should get jerk in a deal.

D. Blais

So, with www.themusicbusinessschool.com you'll be handling the production part, talking about microphones and production and mindset and all that, but at some point you might also come explain or talk about your professional experience to our student because you had to sign a lot of deals, or not signing a deal and get screwed along the way! You know, but it happens all the time. So, I think we'll have to chat again about the business aspects of that industry for sure.

S. Pageot

Yes Dom, for sure. My goal is to further everybody's career with experience that I have gotten over the years and to teach all the students and future business moguls what to look for and what not to sign.

D. Blais

Today, I have you over the phone because of the virus situation and all that, right? But hopefully, sooner or later we'll be able to get together and have this conversation and that'll be be great. Steve, thanks a lot for your participation in this podcast and Ican't wait to see your first online course available for all of our students.

S. Pageot

Yes, thanks for having Dominique.

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